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Libertarian Viewpoints on Immigration, Homosexual Marriage and Abortion – jj

Libertarian Viewpoints on Immigration, Homosexual Marriage and Abortion

A panel of libertarians discuss their views on a host of social issues, including gay marriage, immigration and abortion.



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  1. Should we have the choice as to whether our 2 year olds live or die? I may not be a genius, but my logic says every one of us was a 2 week old fetus, and a 2 year old baby. So when you say "I'm glad you didn't call them an individual with rights", you're saying YOU shouldn't have rights.Abortion is murdering the defenseless. 52 million have been murdered. It's the worst genocide ever.

  2. 1. Immigration should be greatly expanded but the border should still continue to exist and some vetting of immigrants should take place. That said it shouldn’t be as hard as it is to come here.
    2. Gay marriage is not the business of the government to regulate however neither is religion. Gays should be allowed to marry and religious people should be free to refuse to bake gay wedding cakes.
    3. The constitution asserts the importance of Life. One of the few roles of the government is to protect the lives of its citizens including the unborn.

  3. As far as abortion, I am for birth control and sex ed to prevent those unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

    The CNS develops after two weeks, so I am against abortions after that point. There are some exceptions like rape, incest, health issues for the mother or fetus that I can understand. For non health related issues, I think adoptions should be encouraged.

    Most states are ok with 20 weeks, but think it should be sooner rather than later. But if you try to outlaw it people will get abortions illegally or try to have a miscarriage.

    Unpopular opinion: But I think it is actually more inhumane to force a mother to give birth to a child she doesn't want. What kind of life do you think that child will have?

  4. Athenian Oligarcy of 30. He, and his family, were part of the Oligarchy who ruled Athens for 30 punishing years (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning 'few', and ἄρχω (arkho), meaning 'to rule or to command') is a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people. Oligarchs are distinguished by nobility, wealth, family ties, education or corporate, religious, political, or military control. Such states are often controlled by families who typically pass their influence from one generation to the next, inheritance is not a necessary condition for the application of this term. Why don’t you explain his background to explain his words?

    My difficulty with your list of half-truths is that you are purposely distorting their meaning. And I quote”…some of the dumb ideas that underpin the whole ideology (of a progressive educated people) were floating around” I have read these philosophers, I know what their bodies of work say, you are completely distorting their meaning from good advise to being the basis for a regressive autocratic ideology that works for the wealthy not the whole nation.

    I believe you know what you are doing. I have seen years of intellectual bias; these quotes are NOT liberal or conservative, they were admonitions to all people on how to lead a good life. You weaponize these simple unambiguous very short quotes to attack, and demean liberals; those college educated people who have actually read the philosophers you list. You distort their purpose to promote your Dogma to uneducated people,the base voters for Trump. These are obviously distortions of positive quotes all people to lead a better life. You use a series of neutral sentences to“prove” that all liberals are bad people. I am saddened that you search out good advise to distort it for political purposes.

    These type of screeds are one of the reasons I find it difficult to have a conversation with MAGA people,
    they refuse to engage in thoughtful conversation. Instead they make Ad Hominem attacks on people, they repeat GOP Talking Points, they insert “What About”isms to change to a different accusation against us “libtarters”.  They cannot or will not engage in a fact based conversations. I personally have been attacked in almost every conversation I have tried to have with Trump supporters. You are arming people with misinformation, providing distortions to uneducated people, the only people who might believe the propaganda you provide.

  5. If you care more about saving a foetus which takes a woman's blood, nutrient, everything it needs from her body, more than a sick person just needing some money to survive cuz it's 'your money' then there really is some cognitive dissonance going on.

  6. These people are completely stupid on many levels. I love the way libertarians advocate for open immigration without considering how the immigrants coming in are going to vote. I can tell you they aren't going to vote libertarian. I don't think this has ever been considered. Post 1970 immigrants and their offspring vote 4 to 1 for the Democrats and the expansion of the welfare state. I wonder if these idiots have ever considered this. These people are so stupid it's scary. And I'll wager all these idiots live in neighborhoods that don't have a lot of immigrants.

  7. Gay Marriage- No logical reason to be against it unless you’re using your religious views.

    Abortion- Personally only in the first trimester or up to 18 Weeks after Fertilization, after that it has feelings, and it’s just wrong.

    Immigration- I don’t feel good about open borders, I’m not white or believe in nationalism or superiority. But I do believe that culture matters. We know that every culture does not believe in freedom. So why have open borders? I’m open to hear other thoughts or be educated in this If I’m wrong.

  8. I am 100% pro-life. Human life begins at conception. I understand the Libertarian view of liberty, however, this goes to the point where one person's liberty infringes on another's. Biologically, from conception, that child is a distinct person with a different genetic code from the mother. They are not part of the mother's body. No man or women should have the liberty to murder another person from conception to natural death. I can take this from a scientific or Biblical perspective. Scientifically life begins at conception, thereby making abortion murder. Biblically life begins at conception when God begins to form us in our mother's womb.That's fine if you want to keep religion completely out of it. I will a child's right to life from conception on purely scientific grounds.

  9. I am for legal immigration, but not for wide-open boarders. I want to get rid of welfare. I want to completely secure our boarders. And then we can make the process far more efficient and allow pretty much anyone willing to come here through that process legally. I do not welcome criminals or people seeking to simply live off our welfare. Secure the boarder to keep them out and then we can let everyone else in freely.

  10. Unfortunately many libertarians have naive and unrealistic views of immigration. While it is true that the state shouldn't hinder free migration, there are also challenges that are created by open borders. The major challenge is the cultural clashes and chaos that results. You just have to look at us in multicultural Europe to see why. The second major challenge is that immigrants tend to favor statism, so the more immigrants you get the more statism you get. Thus this policy becomes a paradox. The only way to not be outvoted is to abolish democracy altogether. Libertarians should think and argue about this logically, not based on political correctness.

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