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N T Wright on Homosexual Marriage



Here, Proff. N T Wright (D.Phil, Oxford; Proff. of NT at the University of St. Andrews) offers an observation regarding the gay marriage debate.

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  1. Although I respect NT Wright as a historian (although I do not agree with him on several issues), I can not avoid being astonished by his, frankly, very poor and weak explanation. The argument "it has always been this way" is not enough. Slavery has been normal for centuries, now it isn´t. Women have been oppressed and abused for millennia, now they aren´t. And I could go on and on. We are finally recognizing homosexuality as a reality and we, as a society, are evolved enough to be able to respect their dignity, privacy and their right to be happy and to love whoever they choose. It is a clear manifestation of our maturity as a society, not a demonstration of degradation and wickedness. I know the Bible is clear on its contempt on homosexuality, but Paul was clear also on his argument that laws must be moral when applied. It is stupefyingly immoral to force someone to deny their nature and their right to create a home with their partners.

  2. Can you please teach how you accept teachings of Jesus like show the other cheeks, love your enemy, how you work to be perfect like Jesus, how to live a life as Jesus commanded, what to do in return for the blessings of Jesus, how to love Jesus as He expected etc; these are really missing from almost every Pastor's sermon and are in great need to stop the failing faith among the believers.

  3. ( Homosexualtiy ) Did someone ask if this was a sin ? Rom 1: 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

  4. Deut. @ When two men are fighting and the wife of one of them intervenes to drag her husband clear of his opponent, if she puts out her hand and catches hold of the man by his privates, you must cut off her hand and show her no mercy.

    If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."(Leviticus @-30)

    "I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy @

    Genesis 19:8“ Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.”

    She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. Ezekiel @ NIV

    Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus @

    Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus @

    When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20

    Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers @-18

    You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus @-46 NLT

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

  5. Clearly Society has rejected the meaning of marriage. The divorce rate is 50%. That is a joke people commit themselves for lives in the commitment is so valuable that the chances of it lasting is basically a coin toss. Yes Society has rejected and substituted it to mean something of convenience.

  6. Faith is another word that has been redefined in an attempt to change culture and attack Christianity. Faith and blind faith are completely different things. Jesus repeatedly provided evidence for the claims he was making. The ultimate evidence being the empty tomb and his appearances after death. Christianity is an evidence based religion, a faith based religion, but not a blind faith based religion.

  7. Homosexuality is a sin, period. Therefore homosexual marriage is a sin, period. However, marriage is not the business of the state and therefore the state has nothing to say, in the legislative sense, about consenting adults marrying. Get the state out of marriage and leave the debate to church and the public square.

  8. AS A PROUD CHRISTIAN GAY MAN WHO IS MARRIED TO MY WONDERFUL HUSBAND, WE'RE NOT LISTENING ANYMORE. THE WORLD HAS MOVED ON. WE JUST DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THE CHURCH THINK OR FEEL ABOUT GAYS AND GAYS MARRYING. THE ANGLICAN CHURCH IS A HUGE DINOSAUR THAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TODAY. AND WE'VE MOVED ON BYE BYE. YOUR THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD BOOK WRITTEN BY AND FOR NOMADS IN THE DESERT IS UTTERLY EXTRANEOUS. WE JUST DON'T GIVE A TOSS IN OTHER WORDS.

  9. There is a wicked Agenda going on,which the UN and the so called elite's such as Bill Gates,Ted Turner,Rothchilds just to name a few,they want Depopulation on a massive scale,they helped to put these laws through on purpose so they will Not increase too quickly,in the mean time,they have worked on poisoning badly with viruses ect every so many batchs of vaccine's,I know of cases where people died after getting flu injection's,also they are geo engineering the weather with HAARP and CERN,so badly to make the step's of Project Blue Beam come through,just what Searge Monast warned about back in 1993,and Now it's here

  10. Wow, this Archbishop has problems. Immediately upon being asked about the future of the C of E he referred to John c17, equating the C of E with the church of Christ. Sorry Archbishop, the bible and the words of Jesus were there long before the C of E.

  11. How can these people be serious?? What's more important? Semantics or Human Rights? A study of nationwide data from across the United States from January 1999 to December 2015 revealed that the establishment of same-sex marriage is associated with a significant reduction in the rate of attempted suicide among children, with the effect being concentrated among children of a minority sexual orientation, resulting in about 134,000 fewer children attempting suicide each year in the United States.

  12. He talks about how the Nazis and the Stalinists changed the meanings of words, thus associating same-sex marriage with murderous political regimes. He does not mention how Christianity changed the meaning of "love" and how the American and French Revolutions changed the meaning of "equality," "liberty" and "freedom," or how contemporary politics is changing the meaning of "diversity." Not to mention how cybernetics has changed the meanings of "mouse," "portal," "link," "web," etc.

    He lies by denying that same-sex marriage ever existed—-it did, in the Near East. He avoids the historical fact that marriage has always been an economic transaction, as in Jacob's simultaneous marriages to the two daughters of Laban (he bought them); and he omits the fact that in all but the most undeveloped and theocratic countries today marriage is a civil contract regulated by the state (as is divorce) and therefore cannot be denied to mentally competent citizens, especially not on the grounds of religious teachings. He is a narrow-minded, backward bigot trying to disguise his prejudice with specious propositions.

  13. I'm gay and proud of it thanks, There is a Homosexual lifestyle what is that? I love love love Homosexual sex and my relationships Aren't broken. Do all Christians sound and say stupid things? It like all Christian are talking like it's the middles as well like you been brainwashed snap-out of it. God loves me just as Gay as I am thank you very much.

  14. I dont think the gay marriage movement sought to change the definition of the word, but simply make it more inclusive, broader. Marriage is still the union of two people in love. That doesnt downgrade it. That brings it up to its full potential! So its not as if the whole definition was changed. Even if it were, language DOES change over time. Always has, always will. This guy is wrong in saying that marriage has always meant the union of man and woman. Its true that that has been the commonly held understanding for a few hundred years; as soon as the Church got its hands on it. But marriage has its roots further back than that, and it was not a religious matter. All the pro gay marriage movement was suggesting was that love is and should be a stronger unifying factor than whats between your legs! Of course when a Church carries out a marriage, because of their odd pre-occupation with private toilet parts, they should not be forced to marry people of the same sex. Its important that they are allowed to observe Christian doctrine, however unpalatable it seems to be. But I cant understand the cruelty of people who know the benefits of marriage on the individuals, and on society, but want to try and deny it to others.

  15. God made the rules. By way of crearional ordinance. Its an unnatural act to have intercourse with same sex.. We should all be repelled by the very notion. Society has done a great job in desensitising the expression of wrong. Even making it acceptable.

  16. N. T. Wright equating two people who love each other coming together to give mutual support to each other with mass murder, talk about destructively dishonest intellectual practice. I don't find him credible as a Christian, he's all about the law that kills, not the spirit that gives life.

  17. for the modern debater, feelings come first, then they argue their case in any way they can. I've seen Philosophy graduates – trained to argue well – go pro-this, pro-that, and they hit you with what seem like sophisticated arguments. However, at no point do they convince one that this isn't a messy, wannabe inductive argument from the bottom up, ending in non-cogent conclusions. It's always the same – FEEL A CERTAIN WAY, THEN SCRAMBLE TO JUSTIFY IT.

  18. I preface these comments and state plainly there are many sins that will make a person ineligible to be in the Kingdom of Heaven.
    First one is denying your are a created being = no belief the Creator God exists.
    Second one is believing in your own strength and righteousness as sufficient to please God. Greed, lying, murder, drunkenness, and any form of sexual immorality are all a part of the lifestyle choices that could exclude you from Eternal Life if you do not repent and choose to follow the Eternal Principles of the Bible which is faith in God's Salvation. Just as breaking the Sabbath (4th commandment) or idolatry could separate you from Life too. We need a Saviour.

    If a person wants to be lost they will not be found by any human effort but the Power of the Holy Spirit is another matter altogether and Praise God he saves people in their sins draws them to a place of desiring and needing His divine intervention. I love MY Saviour for this wondrous reality! We were all once only sinners and now we can become Saved from sin, sinners. Haleluyah! Pray without ceasing for the Lost AND the Lost in the Church.

    As to NT Wright's commentary
    Inverting this reality paradigm perverts the dichotomy inherent in creation. It is this God designed dichotomy of difference in males and female that comes together to produce life in community, in a healthy sustainable way when biblical principles are followed. When truth & lies are 'sanctioned' to be inverted by man's laws; without an external unbiased source to judge the independent inherent worth of what is truth, actual physical and spiritual life is destroyed or marginalised because the coherency of the factual unchanging message is lost..

    The only benefit is for Chaos to enjoy its rule as the two paradigms collide. Unfortunately as nations reject the Creator more and more the law of countries will come down on the side of perversion and the bible believer will be stripped of his faith in public, more and more.

    This false enlightenment (Satan) is encouraged in human beings so much now as the church abrogated to turn up for the fight for Christ in schools and embraced the sin and the sinner so much that the boundary for reality was crossed.

    Planned Parenthood bought sex education into schools and brought way more than we ever appreciated.
    Inoculating every new generation with a disdain for the need for biblical sexual mores. Condoms and the pill were the atom bombs for the family unit. Followed up by abortion…………All deathstyles…. leading to death of innocents & family confusion leading to identity confusion showing up in the LGBTQ community as a symptom of false enlightenment with chaos over sexuality. We have inherited greater incidence of STD's, abortion, sex reassignment intervention, divorce and one parent struggling families without extended family support since introducing "Safe Sex".

    By denying the importance of commitment & relegating commitment to the scrap heap of a past age in favour of selfishness on both sides. Whether it be the 'beater' or the 'bored' partner looking for the soul mate, or freedom to express ones' desires we produced in the reality denial… a gap, a hole of death which is filled by 'professionals' in community services supported by tax dollars to put a finger in the dike of the flood of destroyed lives. Often to make them' better' without giving hope for eternal life as part of the planned recovery from sin's spiritual effects.

    Why would there not be confusion and chaos in Christianity when leaders practice or celebrate this sinstyle publicly whilst proclaiming the message of Christ in the same breath. The church leaders inverted and capitulated…so why would we not expect society to waiver along with our ship( dinghy) of 'faith' tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine?. Christ said we should expect that in the last days. Christ also said for the churches to repent so their lamp would not be taken away from them ( Better know Your Bible and God's doctrine so you don't get snared holding onto an unrepentant heart in these matters when Christ returns to judge.)

    This perversion using physically and spiritually symmetrical pairs to destroy our human image as pro creators given to us by our Heavenly Father is last days stuff with the middle finger up in defiance of God, mocking Him by getting these unions to be called marriage by the nations. Nothing new under the sun though………as Satan only came to steal kill and destroy.
    Get busy on your knees and cry out for Help to stand in the evil hour by actually knowing your Saviour's constitution and living within its freedoms and protections by taken on its terms in actions .
    Shalom to all
    Find Truth and live it
    FJ

  19. The act of homosexuality introduces men and women into the spiritual realm of legally belonging to the devil (possession) through disobedience to the commandments of God , like Christian Baptism introduces a spiritual realm of UNION with God!
    New Testament
    [1 Corinthians 6:9] 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
    Old Testament
    [Leviticus 20:13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:" they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

    Negligence opens the door to demons
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrFXXfRaK8

    To Eliminate Sin and to seek Salvation.
    Ierotheos Metropolitan of Naupaktos about Greek Orthodox Baptism
    “Through the "rite of birth in God", holy baptism, man's nous (mind) is illuminated, freed from slavery to sin and the devil, and is united with God.
    The word Salvation means "salvation from death" and the word "death" means the eternal separation of man from God!

  20. God gave us 10 commandments none of which condemn homosexuality . .
    Homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice every individuals sexuality is decided in their mothers womb prior to their birth . The same decision is made as to whether an individual is born right or left handed they do not chose it

  21. Now, here is what the law says about homosexual people, including pastors that call themselves Christians!

    1 Corinthians 5:9-13 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

    “I wrote to you in my letter that you should not associate with people who sin sexually. But I did not mean the people of this world. You would have to leave the world to get away from all the people who sin sexually, or who are greedy and cheat each other, or who worship idols. I meant you must not associate with people who claim to be believers but continue to live in sin. Don’t even eat with a brother or sister who sins sexually, is greedy, worships idols, abuses others with insults, gets drunk, or cheats people. It is not my business to judge those who are not part of the group of believers. God will judge them, but you must judge those who are part of your group. The Scriptures say, “Make the evil person leave your group.”

    Below in 1 Corinthians chapter 6 verse’s9 &10(ERV) it says:

    “Surely you know that people who do wrong will not get to enjoy God’s kingdom. Don’t be fooled. These are the people who will not get to enjoy his kingdom: those who sin sexually, those who worship idols, those who commit adultery, men who let other men use them for sex or who have sex with other men, those who steal, those who are greedy, those who drink too much, those who abuse others with insults, and those who cheat.”

    It should be obvious to anyone reading this message that homosexual pastors, priests, or any minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ should never be in a Pulpit!

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