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How you can Pwn a YEC – Pascal's Wager – jj

How you can Pwn a YEC – Pascal's Wager

Pascal’s wager, perhaps the most mind numbingly stupid argument a YEC could utter is utterly destroyed by guest YEC pwner, Geffel.


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  1. If creationism is true and evolution wrong then God is responsible for EVERYTHING and not just curing some old ladies arthritis as on US TV Evangelist shows.

    Religion requires you to ignore some very uncomfortable facts or for you to perform sophistic acrobatics to defend and rationalize this or that Gods actions;

    Nature is written in the languages of mathematics religion is written in the language of politics, which is the language of human control.

    Is this really the work of an all loving, good, merciful, kind and omnipotent alien God thing? According to religions YES, in their holy books God plans and knows everything. He is divine after all.

    Every year ‘God made disasters’ kill around 90 000 people and affect close to 160 million people worldwide. God made disasters include earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, landslides, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, heat waves and droughts. Thank you oh malevolent one with a friend like you we don’t need enemies.

    God made Malaria kills one child every 30 seconds, about 3000 children every day. Over one million people die from malaria each year, mostly children under five years of age, with 90 per cent of malaria cases occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa. An estimated 300-600 million people suffer from malaria each year. A personal God? Or just a morose indifferent alien thing?

    Worldwide, approximately 140 million people develop God made dysentery each year, and about 600,000 die. Most of these deaths occur in developing countries among children under the age of five. But God loves you in a benign neglectful way.

    2.6 Million Babies are born each year with God made facial disfigurements, praise be the Lord, its free will!

    A similar number are stillborn each year, Allah be praised, its Al- Jinn at work!

    650 Million People become blind each year, between birth and 25 years of age, Hallelujah glory be. To God, it’s a test!

    Every year, an estimated 7.9 million infants (6% of worldwide births) are born with serious God made birth defects. Hallelujah, Yahweh works in ‘selectively’ mysterious ways.

    God made Cholera is an acute diarrhoeal disease that can kill within hours if left untreated. Researchers have estimated that each year there are 1.3 million to 4.0 million cases of cholera, and 21 000 to 143 000 deaths worldwide due to cholera. The price of being born in the wrong religion I suppose! But god still loves y’all

    Approximately 3.1 million children die from under-nutrition each year. Manna from Heaven? Only if you belong to the right religion of course, sayeth the Lord of Loaves.

    The God made influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. And all that praying for the War to end only for God to demonstrate he is a bigger killer, nice one God.

    All this because someone at some time ‘sinned’ and ate a bit of fruit, listened to a talking snake, well according to Christianity. Glory be to the most murderous evil bastard you call God!

  2. Who is the YMCA pool manager, in the beginning of the video who seems to think that "evolutionists" have anything to do with where humans go after they die? Doesn't the bible say that people cannot enter heaven through works, and only through belief, so why would this god ask anyone to account for their lives? One could literally be and act line a total asshat their whole lives, and just before death, ask for forgiveness and BOOM!….you're in.

  3. Christians think they've got the truth in their back pocket, so they can't be trying to find what they think they've already got. They're just trying to attack everybody else.  Novelty is the 'devil'.  For precisely that reason, there simply is no 'Creation Science'.  It is all just an effort to poke as many holes in evolutionary biology as they can, as if fundamentalism will emerge the victor by default. 

  4. 11 seconds of intro 14 sec in the question is messed up evolution has nothing to do with a belief in god (the bible says mam was created in god's image evolution can be the process of getting to that image)

  5. I love it! "If the evolutionists are right, we have nothing to worry about" Which way should I take it? It's either that I have nothing to worry about, therefore evolution is true. Or is it that evolution is true and therefore I have nothing to worry about? Either way I win! Life is good

  6. "If you believe that universe exists then you have to believe that someone put it there cos universe is not eternal!" — There's a problem with that assertion and it deals with causation or cause and effect. Every cause we know of requires time. Prior to the big bang time did not exist. There was "nothing". Thus, how could there be a cause for the universe, when there was no time (or space) for a cause to exist in? Btw, your false dichotomy is just that…false. Are there really only 2 choices?

  7. "Either universe from nothing"

    No such theory. You've been watching too many TV and internet programs. I highly suggest more college lectures and less entertainment because you're attempting to disprove/pervert scientific principles and theories with a laymen's explanation and jargon. And for this transgression, you fail.

  8. Either a creator from nothing who makes matter from nothing, or a fully natural universe that is fully compatible with our understanding of the natural world. You know if you believe the real scientist this will make you responsible for all the wrongs in the world. Grow up and stop comparing atheists to criminals, more religious people are criminals than atheists.

  9. Either universe from nothing , which destroyes reason or an eternal source who produces universes, which is reasonable ! I must prove that a diety is responsible , there is many thing we believe by deductive reason! U can get a criminal in court and prove him guilty, does that mean the criminal will accept the charge ? no way , cos he knows he will be in trouble , same way with you ! you know there is responsibility if you believe

  10. "If you believe that universe exists then you have to believe that someone put it there cos universe is not eternal!"

    Non-sequitur. Does not compute. Fallacious reasoning. Illogical. All of these aptly describe your assertion. Not only that, that is unabashedly begging the question. You do not get a free pass to assume "someone" is responsible for the emergence of the Universe. You must first prove that a conscious entity is responsible. Then and only then do you have license to ask "who"…

  11. By logic a true God has to be eternal otherwise he cannot be one if he dies or is born, cos that would mean he is weak , powerless !

    The evidence is the universe !

    If you believe that universe exists then you have to believe that someone put it there cos universe is not eternal!

    you either believe universe is eternal or someone beyond universe is eternal , pick and choose , no other option logically!

    I am not a christian I am a muslim! I believe in Jesus too, but he was a man , not God

  12. An assertion is not a definition. Just asserting that God is eternal and has always existed is your perception. We are not sharing a term of reference. You have to present evidence and you cant because there isn't any which if you were honest you would say. But theists lie to me every day. You lie for Jesus.

  13. It does exist and I can define it , all knowing , all powerful, unique, non like him, eternal, self suficient, etc any God which doesnt fit this criteria is not the true one , simple !

    I can defy santa claus , saint nicolas who lived long ago which gave presents to people and thats how santa claus was made !

    the minute I gave strong reason , u started attacking cos you know it makes sense !

    Who created him, lol! who created the eternal ?lol!

    know the deffinition of a word then ask

  14. "Origin of your God" that statement is showing you have no clue of the word GOD!

    What makes God God , its the fact that he has no origin, no begining and no end, he is not a creation to have an origin! If someone is eternal then how can you ask for who created it ? we know that universe has an origin, humans , and everything has a begining and an end!

    God was there always, universe wasnt there always ,ok ?

  15. Why anyone still uses this ploy in advocating the existence of God I really don't know its so easy to counter. The Best one I have heard is what if God feels that no one has past the test yet because we are all sinners and that Jesus is sitting up there in heaven on his own waiting for the first righteous souls. Or even worse only the Mormons got it right so God waited for 5000 years before opening the gates of heaven.So Theists give up using this sad ploy it just doesn't work.

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